Showrunner Greg Walker Dives Deep into Titans Season 4, Part 2

Showrunner Greg Walker talks about the final part of Titans season 4 and the conclusion of the HBO Max drama this year.

The last six episodes of HBO Max’s most popular DC TV show are finally here. We think that part 2 will leave no stone unturned and will make sure that the show ends on a high, especially after a bombastic first part.

The final episodes will see the Titans facing Sebastian, who has become a Blood Brother. The heroes will try to cope with the consequences of their fight with the Chruch of Blood in the second half of the season.

The Titans are scattered and have to reunite, but that won’t be easy.

Showrunner Greg Walker spoke with Screen Rant again after the interview for part 1 in 2022.

Walker discussed how he wraps up the stories of all the characters in these final episodes. He also talked about directing the first two episodes of Titans season 4, part 2, which was his first time as a director.

Read the entire conversation with Screen Rant below:

Screen Rant: Even though you knew this could possibly be the final season, how much did you guys pull out of your own bucket list for this season?

Greg Walker: Exactly, we had to do it because I’ve been on shows before where we didn’t do it, and I really regretted it. I was saying, ‘Let’s not write ourselves into a corner; finish it up. If there’s a miracle, and we get to season 5, great, we’ll do some gymnastics to find our way back into it.’ But let’s really try to come up with the most satisfying journey for these characters that really get into the space where we want them to be.

Screen Rant: When you guys found out that this was going to be it, were there any attempts to find another home for the show, or was it one of those situations of ‘These are the cards we’ve been dealt with.’

Greg Walker: I don’t even know that actually. We definitely aggressively wrote this season to be a finale. Because we wanted to for the characters, and also, it felt this is where the show wanted to go. At this point, we felt like if we doing anything less would be treading water. Again, I think there was a season 5 in the show for sure. But what we were really driving always was to kind of really give a real full fan experience for the people [who] really love Titans and the people who were just tuning in to watch them go on a journey.

Screen Rant: Let’s talk about this kind of two-hour midseason premiere because I noticed that it said directed by Greg Walker, and I was like, ‘Wait a minute, I didn’t know this was happening!’ Had you tried to direct earlier in the series, or was it always planned for this season? How did this come about?

Greg Walker: Well, it came about because if the showrunner directs early on, it’s really difficult to do both jobs. You really put the show in jeopardy when you do that, unless the show really knows what it’s doing. There was a lot of figuring out of times, and it’s a giant show. There’s this big massive cast, costumes, fights, visual effects, and location expenses. It wasn’t something that I could take my eye off the ball until season 4, where we had such a great team built around me that I could take a little bit of time off from writing and producing.

I knew that the people around me would support me to do it, so I could try to do both. It was not easy, but we got there. Originally, it was always designed that I would do it in the back half. We had more scripts written so I could go away when most of the scripts are written. We still had a lot of work to do on the last two episodes. Partly when I was directing and then when I was finished directing, but the team was great to supporting me. So I was able to take that time off, I was gone all summer.

Screen Rant: You talked about how you have to play two roles when you’re doing these episodes because you can’t really necessarily turn off the showrunner brain. Can you talk about balancing that act when you’re on set? Did you ever have to think, “I really want to do this as a director,’ but as a showrunner, there’s no way we can do this?”

​​​​​​​Greg Walker: [Laughs] That’s a really good question. The advantage is, is that I don’t have to ask anybody. I don’t have to say like, ‘Do you think we can do this? Just do it.’ So there’s that, and I think the crew liked that because there wasn’t a call back to LA going, ‘Oh, we’re going to change this. Is that okay?’ I could do that on the fly and make things happen the same way when Akiva Goldsman directed the show. It wasn’t just a lot more decision-making because the decision-making could happen faster. I think there were times when I was going as a showrunner, ‘Do I think this is the smart choice?’ as a director. But I didn’t get to go in extra hours longer or I didn’t get any kind of perks. The show still has to be run the way that the show’s run.

There were times where I had thought, ‘Well, maybe I can throw my weight around.’ But no, actually, this is the rule and you have to be done by this time, you don’t get any extra time. So in creative madness at times, those are very ambitious episodes in a tight schedule on location. The second one since you’ve seen it, is almost entirely on location. Question. There was just living in motels and running around and trying to deal with weather and COVID. It was nuts to get it done, like shooting an indie movie out in Rural, Ontario, didn’t feel like a typical Titans episode, which I’m glad I got stuck with that one because I would have felt guilty if I gave anybody else. That episode because it was so hard.

Screen Rant: What I find so fascinating is that in the midst of all this insanity, you guys still found a way to give the fans some great development in this romance. Can you talk a bit about how you guys came to that idea?

​​​​​​​Greg Walker: I wish I remember because a lot of that was generating while we were doing the season, and before I was going off to direct. I didn’t plan to direct it because we had multiple directors fall out. Then I was like, ‘Well, it’s too close to shooting to explain to somebody else.’ So I should be the person and I threw myself into those episodes in that block of two episodes because we had two directors fall out of that slot [with] COVID, travel, and family stuff. I ended up being the sucker who took that.

In terms of the DickKory story, it really was more of a sense of, even though there’s a lot of fun of watching them domestics – once we saw that, ‘I was like, Oh, we can have them in bed together, and then we can have them dress as different people, kind of like Tennessee country club environment.’ The costumes did a great job, and both the actors, Brenton and Anna, jumped at the occasion – I think they really did an amazing job.

But originally, what happens when you lose your soul, the kind of Invasion of the Body Snatchers way? What happens when you become a zombie? You can’t connect to the person you love. Will you ever get them back, and is it too late? What’s that feeling of a potential marriage or love that you can have that becomes impossible by circumstance? When we responded to that power of that emotion and that emotional story, that’s how we started, and then we got to have fun with cars and them goofing around. They really lit up with it.

Screen Rant: I got to talk about the moment with Dick because this just shows how much you guys have developed him from an emotional standpoint. We hear his tape, and we hear how he actually feels about Kory. What made this the right storyline for him, rather than just telling her? I love the call back to season 1 because we always knew that it was always going to be Kory.

Greg Walker: Yeah, and I think that he knew that too. One of the things – and this is a tricky thing with fans like you, Andy – we know where they’re going. But we got to get there for both the actors and the characters and feel like we’ve earned it. They were never going to go out and have like jello shots and then end up in bed together. In fact, they did end up in bed, but that wasn’t right.

It mirrored where we needed to go with them, where they needed to get to the point where and for Dick, it was almost too late where he really was forced to realize his feelings for her. He’s so blocked that character and so much about taking care of others, but not really having that level of emotional intimacy. Because he was not raised to have that, it was actually seen as a liability. So for him to get there. It took this long.

Screen Rant: I don’t know who had more fun here, Joshua Orpin acting out these Conner Luthor scenes or you guys getting to write all of that. At what point do you guys have to balance showing that this boy has changed but also not losing what makes him so likable? What was a rule for you guys in your Superboy bible, so to speak?

​​​​​​​Greg Walker: Well, it’s a really smart point, and we had to go through his journey too. To me, it wasn’t enough that he had a haircut, wore cologne, and had a leather jacket. To me, and for all of us writers together, we decided he had to go on a journey where he really went too far as Lex in order to see that that’s not him. I think we all have to do that when you’re trying on a persona because it’s not as if he was trying it out.

He had it in him, but he didn’t. He went too far, and we went too far. We shot scenes that we can’t ever show wherever he went too far in terms of where I wasn’t comfortable taking Superboy to that point. At that point, I didn’t think that was who he was and I think fans would not have liked it. So we self-censored, but we had to like his character. We, the writers, had to go too far in order to see what was the limit for him to see in himself, ‘This is not me; I need to go back to the Titans.’

Screen Rant: We know Jason Todd is back, and he plays a really intriguing role in Tim’s final step to becoming the third Robin. Why was it so important for you guys as storytellers to make sure that he also had a part to play in Tim’s arc this season?

​​​​​​​Greg Walker: Well, I think it’s due fold. 1) it is important to see that Jason Todd, through his experience as Robin and then Red Hood, has evolved as a character. He’s no longer just the wisecrack and kick-ass hyper-violent guy. He’s actually someone who can understand what it means to be Robin and bear the responsibility of it and the core essence of the character and where he succeeded and where he failed.

It was important for him to see that wiser side of Jason. and I think Tim needed to see it too. I think Dick, who was the architect of this, wanted Tim to experience Jason Todd as a mentor to bring what he knew to it, and the way that he could show him what works for him and how he could ultimately incorporate that and be his own Robin.

Screen Rant: Were there any other fan favorites you guys were trying to get back but couldn’t for logistical reasons?

​​​​​​​Greg Walker: I would have had them all. It was tricky to get Hawk and Dove back together. Because of how Hawk is…

Screen Rant: Dead, you mean?

​​​​​​​Greg Walker: Well, dead on our show is relative. We play fast and loose with death. I felt like we earned that we could have brought anybody back. But at that point, the character stories were so focused and really streamlined towards an ending I don’t think we would have been able to do service to the amazing actors you bring on, like Minka Kelly, Conor Leslie, and Alan Ritchson back. You want to really give them something to really play and we are so dead set on this ending and steaming ahead that it would be hard to really do justice to those characters. I would love to have had them, I would do backflips if we could get them.

Screen Rant: What can you tease for these final episodes as they go up against the bloodiest villain I have ever seen? If Joseph Morgan fans thought they saw a lot of blood on The Vampire Diaries and Originals, then just can they wait…

​​​​​​​Greg Walker: Well yeah, he never didn’t really necessarily need to make a career of swimming in it of what we put him in, but he was such a gamer to do all that. I think that this has always been a conversation and sometimes a monologue and now a dialogue between the Titans fans and Titans writers: I feel like this, hopefully, in my mind, it is the best version of that. We love the characters as much as fans do, and we really want to set them up in a great place where they win as a team and develop as individuals.

Screen Rant: Some time has passed since we learned about Titans coming to an end. Would you be interested in continuing to work on more DC properties with James Gunn and Peter Safran? Have you had any talks with them, or are you hoping to have a conversation with them? Is there a DC property you would like to take on next?

​​​​​​​Greg Walker: Well, I’d work with any of these actors again; if there’s any version of Titans, I would definitely do it again. If there’s ever a chance that somebody comes calling…it’s so fresh, it’s so new, Andy. I think between myself and publicity; we are the last people working on the show in the abandoned fort at the top of the hill. But if somebody comes knocking on the gate, I’ll open it up and bring them in. I’d love to have a chance; I’m so grateful for everything that we were able to do on this show and how I was able to grow as well.

Screen Rant: Well, thank you so much for your time today. This season leaves me wanting more, but you guys really went for it. I can’t wait for fans to see it. I will grill you with more questions about the series finale, because we have got things to talk about!

​​​​​​​Greg Walker: All right, Andy, I’m ready! Thank you, I love what I see you say about the show on Twitter! I see your name all the time. I love your passion, and I love all the support. Thank you so much, and let’s talk again when the finale comes around.

In the last episodes of season 4, the Titans return to the Temple of Trigon, where Gar is still trapped. They find out that Sebastian and Mother Mayhem have left to summon Trigon and they follow them.

Along the way, they stumble upon a weird town with a hidden secret and a prophecy that threatens Kory. Dick reveals his feelings for Kory and attempts to prevent her from giving up her life to save the world.

The Titans face a final showdown to rescue Kory and the world. Gar embarks on a journey of self-realization, trying to find his true role and to help his friends.

Rachel unleashes darker forces while Conner, torn by his Lex Luthor side, chooses his own path to stop Sebastian.

Tim and Bernard’s mutual attraction becomes harder to ignore, and when Bernard’s life is in danger, Tim finally steps up as the hero he has always wanted to be.

About Titans

Titans is an American superhero television series created by Akiva Goldsman, Geoff Johns, and Greg Berlanti. It is based on the DC Comics team Teen Titans and depicts a group of young heroes who join forces in their fight against evil.

The ensemble cast includes Brenton Thwaites, Anna Diop, Teagan Croft, Ryan Potter, Curran Walters, Conor Leslie, Minka Kelly, Alan Ritchson and Esai Morales among many others.

This gritty take on the “Teen Titans” franchise follows young heroes from across the DC Universe as they come of age and find where they belong. Dick Grayson and Rachel Roth, a special girl possessed by a strange darkness, get involved in a conspiracy that could bring Hell on Earth. Hot-headed Starfire and lovable Beast Boy join them along the way as together they become a surrogate family and team of heroes fighting evil.